2012-01-29 Core Meeting¶

[20:59:54] <devil> good evening. i will be your host for the core-meeting tonite, whic i open herewith.
[21:00:19] <devil> would core-members please speak up
[21:00:42] <cryptosteve> up!
[21:00:53] <agaida> up
[21:01:08] <devil> vibora, towo`, 
[21:01:11] <cryptosteve> 2:1, we win ..
[21:01:27] <devil> coruja
[21:01:50] <towo`> here
[21:01:53] <hendrikL> agaida u forgot one song 
[21:01:59] <cryptosteve> funny ...
[21:02:12] <devil> well, ok, lets start anyways
[21:02:17] <agaida> Smoke on the water????
[21:02:21] <devil> TOPIC: How do we think about a donation sprint? (we need to finance merchandise)
[21:02:23] <hendrikL> ...
[21:02:56] <devil> first we should determine what merchandise could be
[21:02:56] <cryptosteve> devil: let's do it (with explanation as coruja mentioned some hours ago)
[21:03:23] <devil> imho we need to offer sub-sticks, as we do not want CD/DVD
[21:03:31] <devil> usb-sticks even
[21:03:43] <devil> the rest of merch is optional
[21:03:54] <devil> like t-shirts
[21:04:25] <cryptosteve> what about the banners?
[21:04:28] <devil> like i said before, we need ~ 1k €
[21:04:43] <GoinEasy9> t-shirts? optional? awwww
[21:04:45] <devil> cryptosteve: we have money for thise, the account is at 347 € atm
[21:05:01] <cryptosteve> so we need additional 1k?
[21:05:07] <devil> GoinEasy9: depends if we want them or not
[21:05:11] <devil> cryptosteve: yes
[21:05:58] <devil> at least if we want usb-sticks and shirts now
[21:07:13] <devil> so, is there any thoughts on that? uswb-sticks only? t-shirts? 
[21:08:05] <devil> if it would be sticks only, we'd need ~ 600
[21:08:43] <towo`> i don't think, that we will get 1k € in such short time
[21:09:06] <devil> that we do not know. 
[21:09:09] <cryptosteve> so if we get ~300 we do buy no merch, if we get 600 we only buy sticks and if we get >=1k ... we buy the big one
[21:09:48] <devil> with 300 we could get some shirts
[21:09:59] <cryptosteve> why we do not want DVDs?
[21:10:02] <devil> noone will sell less than 50 engraved usb-sticks
[21:10:12] <devil> cryptosteve: will you print them?
[21:10:21] <hendrikL> ...
[21:10:41] <cryptosteve> hmm
[21:10:53] <devil> plus its a loss, usb-sticks are a win
[21:11:09] <cryptosteve> are they?
[21:11:28] <devil> if you sell them for more than what they cost, yes 
[21:11:48] <devil> its an old business principle 
[21:12:03] <devil> even makes the world go round 
[21:12:10] <hendrikL> they can be reformated and reused again, ppl like usb sticks, they can use them anyway
[21:12:31] <GoinEasy9> Donation page doesn't translate into English, and there should be a link to make any easy donation, or am I missing something?
[21:13:10] <GoinEasy9> s/an/any
[21:13:12] <devil> GoinEasy9: yeah, its not translated yet
[21:13:51] <devil> GoinEasy9: i was gonna wait for the move to the new site, but that takes longer than what er estimated
[21:13:58] <hendrikL> and is there a donation link in the .org menu? do i oversee some thing?
[21:14:14] <hendrikL> i do
[21:14:37] <devil> yep
[21:14:43] <devil> donate button goes to de
[21:15:07] <devil> if we do this sprint, it needs to be translated
[21:15:13] <hendrikL> i think it would be nice to use the donation-logo from the manual, andtranslated as GoinEasy9 said
[21:15:36] <devil> do it to it
[21:16:08] <hendrikL> the .org is urs and agaida, devil [21:16:18] <devil> not mine, no 
[21:16:26] <agaida>  not mine 
[21:16:42] <GoinEasy9> Also, I should be able to click on a link and add my bank info, we should make it easy for someone to donate.
[21:16:57] <agaida> +1
[21:17:06] <hendrikL> +1
[21:17:08] <devil> well, what does core say about the sprint (started in both langs on the forum with explanations why we need what?
[21:17:26] <cryptosteve> let's do it
[21:17:39] <agaida> another question: can / should we use paypal? can ffis handle that?
[21:18:06] <devil> agaida: ffis offers bankaccount and paypal
[21:18:14] <GoinEasy9> Although I hate paypal, if it makes it easier, we should use it.
[21:18:30] <devil> its there
[21:18:48] <devil> do we want a donation-meter?
[21:19:06] <devil> its a bit hard, as it would have to be updated manualy
[21:19:14] <devil> and only once a week
[21:20:22] <agaida> dont think so. We are not wikipedia. And their donation meter sucks.
[21:20:30] <devil> there is many
[21:20:51] <devil> we need some means of communicating what we have and need
[21:21:34] <devil> i have no idea how these meters work
[21:21:57] <devil> as in: where they get their info
[21:22:10] <cryptosteve> we do not need a donation-meter but we should name the people that wants to be on a spender-list
[21:23:20] <devil> ok, i get it, there is no objections to a donation-sprint?
[21:23:47] <hendrikL> is there a side where everyone can see how much is donated? i so, it could be posted too
[21:23:56] <hendrikL> i/if
[21:24:40] <agaida> no objections, from my pov
[21:24:44] <towo`> i would like to see a donation-sprint
[21:24:54] <devil> no, i have a view on the account, which is updated once a week (normaly on sunday nights)
[21:24:56] * GoinEasy9 also
[21:25:05] <towo`> but i have no clue, how to do so
[21:26:36] <devil> ok, i will try to set all this up within the next days
[21:26:44] <agaida> spread the word in the blog and in the frontpage of siduction.org  - but first we should update the donation pages (and eventually setup and test paypal)
[21:27:01] <devil> agaida: paypal is set and works
[21:27:05] <agaida> ok
[21:27:43] <devil> i guess a news-item is the best way to go
[21:27:52] <agaida> +1
[21:28:02] <hendrikL> and set up the donation-logo, its better than one word between the others in the menu
[21:28:06] <devil> i could include all the info per lang into the item
[21:28:46] <devil> hendrikL: i have no clue if i have time in the next 2 weeks to find out how to do that. i am on a very tight schedule
[21:29:35] <devil> but i will set up the news items within the next 2 days
[21:29:43] <devil> can we move on?
[21:30:00] <towo`> yes
[21:30:11] <devil> TOPIC: Hunt for a name for 2012.1 needs to start soon. How to go about it?
[21:30:17] <devil> and where?
[21:30:32] <devil> we could do the same as for distro-name
[21:30:44] <devil> agaida already started it in the wiki
[21:30:55] <devil> http://chili.siduction.org/projects/siduction/wiki/naming_2012_1
[21:31:10] <devil> it would need sone more words around it
[21:31:19] <devil> agaida: what was the vote-box for?
[21:32:34] <devil> noone interested?
[21:33:15] <hendrikL> but first we need names, than it could be use full to use that vote box
[21:33:24] <devil> for?
[21:33:25] <cryptosteve> should naming be open for everyone (on chili)? Or just for core-team-members? Or Art? Or dev?
[21:33:43] <GoinEasy9> Community
[21:33:51] <devil> cryptosteve: well, same as distro-name, everyone can send in, we decide
[21:33:59] <agaida> devil: i copied only the first site.
[21:34:01] <cryptosteve> ok
[21:34:14] <devil> as we need to see if a name works as wallpaper
[21:34:57] <devil> we could say, the winner gets a shirt/usb-stick/beer with slam....
[21:35:04] <GoinEasy9> hah
[21:35:59] <agaida> no  - to prevent useless names, the looser must have a drink with slam.
[21:36:02] <devil> as se7en is gone for the next 2 weeks, we can run  it at least for that long
[21:36:26] <cryptosteve> agaida: you lead with 2:0 [21:36:46] <devil> we also need a art-team instead of an art-guy
[21:36:50] <devil> urgently
[21:37:39] <devil> is everyone ok with the wiki being the place for collecting names?
[21:37:57] <cryptosteve> I am ..
[21:38:07] <hendrikL> thats ok
[21:38:46] <towo`> yes
[21:39:02] <devil> ok, next
[21:39:10] <devil> TOPIC: What does the new site need to be releasable (timeframe?)
[21:39:15] <devil> agaida...
[21:40:09] <agaida> what should i say - wishful thinking atm. 
[21:40:31] <devil> agaida: anything concrete? what is missing? do you have help?
[21:41:00] <devil> what about the dutch pro that offered help?
[21:42:09] <agaida> what is missing: a reliable stable version of joomla. I never thought, that there are so many major bug i the current release. Joomla is not usable atm, i think for the next 2 weeks.
[21:42:28] <devil> hm, works for me 
[21:43:14] <devil> do those bugs prevent working on the setup?
[21:43:26] <agaida> work for me doesnt mean works reliable. Mostly the database stuff. 
[21:43:38] <devil> should we delay it to 2nd release?
[21:43:39] <agaida> i hope not.
[21:44:50] <devil>  should we delay it to 2nd release? <== goes to the channel
[21:44:53] <agaida> i have send a mail to the dutch. No answer jet. i will send him a pm today. 
[21:45:14] <devil> ok
[21:45:43] <agaida> if qubix and the dutch say, that there are no problems for us, we can go ahead.
[21:45:52] <devil> ok, next
[21:46:12] <devil> TOPIC:  Once again: release plan for 2012.1 revisited
[21:46:50] <agaida> do we have any plans?
[21:47:07] <devil> my ideas, after thinking about it is: 2012.1 in march (towards the end?) and a special release with razor-qt for linuxtag
[21:47:33] <devil> 2012.1 could ship minimal-no X
[21:48:20] <cryptosteve> I think we should skip minimal-nox as there will be much work with joomla/kunera, donations and merchandising, etc.
[21:48:22] <devil> for the special, i could imagine building and releasing there at the booth, announce it on the LT-News up front and make it a happening
[21:48:52] <devil> towo`: could you find out a possible release date kernel-wise im March?
[21:48:59] <devil> given kernel is on time
[21:49:24] <towo`> what?
[21:49:50] <devil> towo`: is there kernel-release in march?
[21:49:58] <devil> major one
[21:50:23] <devil> cryptosteve: donations and merchandising is not much work and can be handled by se7en and me
[21:50:38] <towo`> devil, i don't think so
[21:50:59] <devil> 3.3 is when?
[21:51:00] <cryptosteve> I think we should establish the existing flavours before opening new ones ... (my 2ct)
[21:51:21] <towo`> devil, no until april/may i think
[21:51:24] <devil> cryptosteve: you were the one that wanted to do it with agaida [21:51:32] <devil> towo`: oh, ok
[21:51:43] <devil> well, april would be ok
[21:51:59] <cryptosteve> devil: we though about it, yes ...
[21:52:16] <devil> cryptosteve: its not much work, its there already
[21:53:11] <devil> establish the existing flavours is a different story
[21:55:02] <devil> well, i guess itsa time to close this meeting. too much enthusiasm around [21:55:06] <devil> objections?
[21:55:12] <GoinEasy9> no
[21:55:59] <devil> gavel
[21:56:10] <devil> thanks for participating